You do sort of have that flipped around the wrong way. I'm not sure if you said what you truly meant to say. Sanctioned by Norm counts for lot, though!Originally Posted by njrich
Empirical evidence is information that is acquired by observation or experimentation.
Until any system is proven in a real casino under real conditions it's only seen on paper. The results are generated by a computer and it looks the same to every person that reads it.
Show me a system that has been used for years in real play and it's capable of getting the money and I'll buy it.
Now if you told me Norm or any other known author actually used this system and it works we wouldn't be having this conversation.
My post wasn't in any way meant to be disrespectful to anyone.
Those that really know me on here I'm sure would tell you that is not my style.
But don't come on here and say you have a system that is better than the one I spend many hours every day training and studying to perfect without real proof.
That is what I meant to say.
Your system has been called this and WHY? Because it was never simed?
I only know what I've been told about your system by someone I trust completely and I was told it works.
Last edited by njrich; 11-03-2013 at 11:22 PM.
Beware the fury of a patient man.
No disrespect taken njrich. I have been doing this for 20 years and studied nearly every know system out there. I played high stakes Blackjack in Vegas since the early nineties. Personal family reasons I rather not discuss in a forum brought me back to Colorado where I decided to write. The strategy that I have used I used for many years. However, I did create more accurate index numbers with CVData and published them in my book. The sims results are what I published and that is a theoretical benchmark that us counters can go off of to determine the performance of a system. It is true that the real test is in the casino, however, depending on how long a person plays it could still be a very small sample size. As a matter of fact, it could take as much as 300 hours of play to where your cumulative expected win will exceed your standard deviation for that many hours of play. I have worked with Norm throughout this endeavor and as I have mentioned before I exported my sim files to Norm. Do you think for one single minute I would come onto this forum with an invitation from Norm making some bogus claim. A system is only as good as the individual implementing it...sims are meaningless if the strategy is not being executed perfectly. What ever system you are using I wish you nothing but the best of cards and stick it to them.
Respectfully,
Maverick Sharp
Last edited by MavSharp; 11-04-2013 at 12:21 AM.
You cannot "prove" anything in a real casino. People win Keno and lotteries all the time. Casino play is "observation" and therefore empirical. The opposite of empirical is rational. That is, the use of math and logic, not actual play. Beware books that say their system was proved in a casino. Nearly all progression books say this.
A guy called me last week with a strategy that he said he has been using and winning with for decades. He wanted to make a business deal where I would help him sell it. Said he had a PHD and was absolutely convinced it was valid. I spent a half-hour explaining to him that pure betting systems cannot win and real casino results are meaningless. Never did convince him.
Last edited by Norm; 11-04-2013 at 03:50 AM.
"I don't think outside the box; I think of what I can do with the box." - Henri Matisse
My request for any nugget of info was not responded to. Maybe the author is not aware of the timing of various people trying to get other peoples money to gamble with or selling systems without providing any info only to have people pay out of curiosity and report it is bogus. These posters are all to fresh in our memories. I was trying to give him a chance to distance himself from these by doing what they refused to do, talking a tiny bit about what they expect you to invest in.
The DMPro Strategy is a balanced Level-3, ace-reckogned point count system. It has a Betting Correlation of .9919, a Strategic Efficiency of .5650, and an Insurance Correlation Coefficient of .7247. NO BETTING SYSTEM HERE!!! NO betting system, in and of itself, has the potential of eliminating any game that yields a negative expectation. Here are some vitals on the DMPro Strategy.
Parameters:
6-Deck, S17, DAS, LS, and RSA
75% Deck Penetration Level
Hands Per Hour: 100
4 Players
Bet Spread: 1 to 12 units, Optimal Betting
RESULTS (in units)
Average Bet: 2.54
Win/Loss%: 1.191%
Win Per Hour: 3.02
Standard Deviation: 46.16
Desirability Index: 6.54
Score: 42.82
Last edited by MavSharp; 11-04-2013 at 05:36 AM.
OK, with all due respect, please go to CVCX and used the canned sim of Wong's Halves, full indices (note that, in your description, above, you omitted how many indices you were using), and the exact same conditions that you report above. SCORE is 44.49. Same conditions, Sweet 16 (no ten-splitting) and Fab 4, SCORE = 41.33. I suspect that, if ten-splitting had been permitted, we would have been close to your 42.82, which I suspect is NOT just I18 and Fab 4.
Bottom line: In my extensive SCORE studies, Wong's Halves does very well, but, of course, does not outperform Hi-Opt II or AOII. I'm sure you are honest and reputable, but there is no reinventing the wheel for these things. We know all that we need to know about balanced, ace-reckoned counts. You aren't going to suddenly emerge with some new point count that does something magical.
You need to go here and have a look around! http://qfit.com/book/SuperSCORE.htm
Or here: http://qfit.com/book/ModernBlackjackPage172.htm
Note several counts where I would consider the ensemble of the three parameters, BC, PE, and IC, superior to yours. Halves is identical, where, to me, RPC, and FELT are superior. (Note that this is different from SCORE, of course). Finally, you can't touch AOII or Hi-Opt II.
Don
Don I love your work and with all due respect I never claimed that the DMPro Strategy is some new breakthrough in mathematics... Many systems of today have been spawned from other existing systems of yesterday or in some cases virtually identical as with the AOII and Richard Canfield's Master. Even the CR Point count strategy was derived from the same value of numbers as the RPC. Pursuant to my sims... The only way the Hi-OptII or the AOII could out perform the DMPro Strategy was only with utilizing the Ace side count. Again I have the upmost respect for you and Norm and the both of your names are cited more than any other individual in my book.
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