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    Theres 3 shifts for each store, just make notes of what shifts you go in a notepad or excel and spread it around. Play a different shift/different store every time you want to play again. Keep mixing it around and you can last a while with just 3-4 stores if you know what you're doing. If you can get 4 stores, that's 12 shifts you can attack. Mix and match as best you can and it should be hard to detect you. I say stick to 5 hour sessions max, if you're pure wonging 2-3 hours max. Also I recommend you mix in a 1 hour session where you are completely aggressive with an aggressive spread, but plan that shift out accordingly. good luck

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    He he.. let me ignore the aggro dude for a moment..I was mortified to see I said i was using REKO. What is that I don't even remember; I have not read that chapter in KO in ages. Something about no play variations and just jumping bets to break even. What I meant was TKO from color of blackjack where additional opportunities are sniffed out earlier in the shoe based on the running count. What a disgrace- attacking the casinos with REKO- rookie KO.
    Anyway- your attack on me complete horsesht. I play at the same casino every day I have off and every weekend night. I'm there at least 3 days a week. I camp at least 6 hours and usually show up about 4pm and leave between 1am and many times around 5am.
    I was spreading from $10-two hands of 250 last weekend; starting the next shoe with 2 red chips. Granted I normally play 10- two hands of $125 but I frequently bet much larger and nobody cares. I have been doing this since the casino opened.
    Clearly I will not continue the giant spread as this casino is valuable to me but the point is you are talking to me like I have this "idea" to spread 1-20 and am going to test it out.
    Don't get me wrong I expect some heat eventually but so what? If I'm not pushing it then I'm leaving $ on the table.
    The pit boss is usually some donk that was dealing 3 weeks ago-it's completely wide open. I didn't come here hoping to get NJRich's approval on a 1-20 spread. This spread is easily attainable. With four casinos (not including the ones a lil bit further I will be hitting) I will see each place once or twice a week. Are you suggesting I'm a joke because I want a 1-20 spread at PA casinos? Your a joke if your spreading less. I couldn't imagine a better place to spread large- You deal with the 8 decks and you are rewarded with a very high tolerance for action at these casinos.
    I'm not a noob here-don't call me a joke for wanting a large spread for long hours- if i couldn't get that I wouldn't even be trying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenKinG View Post
    Theres 3 shifts for each store, just make notes of what shifts you go in a notepad or excel and spread it around. Play a different shift/different store every time you want to play again. Keep mixing it around and you can last a while with just 3-4 stores if you know what you're doing. If you can get 4 stores, that's 12 shifts you can attack. Mix and match as best you can and it should be hard to detect you. I say stick to 5 hour sessions max, if you're pure wonging 2-3 hours max. Also I recommend you mix in a 1 hour session where you are completely aggressive with an aggressive spread, but plan that shift out accordingly. good luck
    This is great advice-I don't WANT to stay at the same place for long periods of time but was surprised to see they appear oblivious, no matter what I bet or how long I stay. Now longevity is more important to me and I appreciate the advice- This is what I am going to try and do, just as you mentioned- thx. My backcounting days are over, thankfully, and I will only being wonging out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moo321 View Post
    Ugh, I wouldn't try this with a wife and kids and your bankroll level, and your location. I think you're going to get burned out faster than you think. If you are willing to move around the east coast, you might be ok, but I wouldn't want to try to play 20 hours a week at one casino.
    There are great casinos everywhere around me!! A few years ago it would have been pointless. I had less than 2000$ in the bank two years ago. My wife and kids are not in any peril. I have never had any money and can always get another annoying job anytime I want. Please try not to get offended by my attempt people. Let's just see what happens.

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    I have played all of PA, from North to South.

    Surveillance paranoia is extreme everywhere.

    Show a cumulative win and you'll soon be 86'd

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Buzzard View Post
    There are great casinos everywhere around me!! A few years ago it would have been pointless. I had less than 2000$ in the bank two years ago. My wife and kids are not in any peril. I have never had any money and can always get another annoying job anytime I want. Please try not to get offended by my attempt people. Let's just see what happens.
    I don't know you at all but this just seems like a terrible idea. Theres so many ways this can go wrong (run bad, backoffs/barrings, variance, burnout). Are you just going to go back to your job when you get backed off/barred from every PA and AC store in 3 months? If you want a real chance at making this work you absolutely MUST start learning AP skills beyond card counting. Card counting is the worst way to make money in a casino, and its not even close. There are a lot of easier/more profitable/lower variance/less heat ways to win.

    I have a much larger bankroll, no wife/kids, no debt, and much broader set of gambling skills, yet the idea of having to grind casinos for a living still makes me feel uneasy. Might be because I can't fathom the idea of spending that much time in a casino, they are the worst places on earth haha.

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    Buzzard, you've had some pretty good advice so far, and especially from the last two posters. You should heed it. You really need a lot more planning and savvy/cunning. Can you see that? Admit it to yourself. You have the ballz, confidence and cash. You can do it. But maybe when the time is more favorable than it appears to be at the moment. Why not after the upcoming holiday break. What's the rush? You have some time to work on your game before then.

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    I agree with moo21. Your bankroll isn't large enough. The wife and kids are a HUGE factor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by muffdiver View Post
    I agree with moo21. Your bankroll isn't large enough. The wife and kids are a HUGE factor.
    So you think the OP should sell his wife & kids? That'd eliminate that factor AND increase his BR simultaneously

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    First of all, why are you guys assuming Buzzard's wife is HUGE. That seems harsh.

    Moving on, you only live once and sometimes you have to take your shot. Otherwise at the end of your life, you look back with regret. But, you want to give yourself the best chance of success when you do take your shot and this is where your plan has some shortcomings, Buzzard.

    Financial: I beleive to give yourself a reasonable chance, a year's expenses, plus a BR of 50 grand is needed. With expenses of $2500/month, a year comes to $30,000. That leaves you a BR of $40,000. A little light but do-able, wthout getting into your specific situation.

    Knowledge: In addition to being properly funded, you need to have acquired the knowledge to succeed. And this isn't just about reading a few books or participation on websites. That's a start, a foundation, but the real education you need is learned by experience. IMO, this works best as a natural progression, playing part-time with smaller stakes and learning the ins and outs as you move up in stakes. I don't know your history, but by statements and questions, it doesn't seem like you are there.

    Timing: Now despite my initial statement about taking your shots in life, your timing is way off. This is best attempted earlier in life, when you are in your early 20's, single, with minimal responsibilities and expenses or a little later in life, maybe your 50's, once the kids are off to college or off on there own doing whatever. At 38, with kids and a wife, is not the time. You made a commitment, that needs to be honored, IMO. Instead this might be an appropriate time to go that part-time route and really prepare for a later attempt.

    The playing plan: Playing 35 hours a week spread over 4 stores is unrealistic. You will have a short career. I've been there, not long ago. I was living on east coast, Philadelphia and played a small rotation consisting of 4 Atlantic City casinos. That's all that was playable in the area at the time as Pa had casinos but had not yet approved table games. It is just way took small of a rotation. You will see the same faces too often, and you will be noticed and unable to play before long. You must have a larger rotation of games. There are two ways to do this. One is move closer to a larger number of games, as I chose to do, and the second is to travel a lot.

    35 hours a week: Playing blackjack for a living is not a 9-5 job. Getting in 35 hours playing time will require much more than 35 hours. As much as double. Few players put in that kind of time. I did for a number of years, but even I have cut back in recent years. It wears you down. And you can't put those hours in during the day and be home to the wife and kids in the evenings and weekends. You have to spread your play out, playing all shifts and hours. The reality of it is that playing blackjack for a living isn't a job, it's a lifestyle. Blackjack must be your mistress, your companion. This is another reason, why this is best attempted in your 20's before you settle down with a human companion.

    I would really re-think your plan if I were you.


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    You are rather considerably more likely to fail than to succeed.

    You are planning on playing far too many hours at too few casinos.

    No Casino Manager wants a non-losing player "camping-out"

    and turning their blackjack tables into someone's office.

    I have been 86'd and trespassed virtually everywhere in PA

    It appears to be a dead certainty that
    the PA casinos

    are all communicating with each other re: backoffs.


    Contact me for actual proof of same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mjbballar23 View Post
    I don't know you at all but this just seems like a terrible idea. Theres so many ways this can go wrong (run bad, backoffs/barrings, variance, burnout). Are you just going to go back to your job when you get backed off/barred from every PA and AC store in 3 months? If you want a real chance at making this work you absolutely MUST start learning AP skills beyond card counting. Card counting is the worst way to make money in a casino, and its not even close. There are a lot of easier/more profitable/lower variance/less heat ways to win.

    I have a much larger bankroll, no wife/kids, no debt, and much broader set of gambling skills, yet the idea of having to grind casinos for a living still makes me feel uneasy. Might be because I can't fathom the idea of spending that much time in a casino, they are the worst places on earth haha.
    Impressive one. Could you just list those AP skills, which is easier than CC ?

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    is your wife supportive of your decision to play full-time? (don't answer that, ask yourself that question)
    hopefully you have a great support group with your family because you will need it. it takes more than knowledge of a game to make it playing cards for a living imo.
    when cards are your only income the swings will test your mentality... i wish you the best! i couldn't do it, i've tried playing poker full-time.
    it's tough (at least for me) to stay focused through the downswings.

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