Special BJ cards dealing procedures

[James989]

1) Dealer dealt two cards to herself, 1 upcard and 1 hole card, then dealer peek the hole card and draw cards according to standard house rules. The dealer knows the final total(17 to 26). Please note that, all cards are not revealed except the upcard.

2) Then dealer dealt two cards to player and player draw cards according to basic strategy.

3) Dealer then reveals all her cards and pay accordingly.

4) Cards shuffle after each round.

Will this dealing procedures affect the house edge ? Is this similar to cut card effect?

[DSchles]

Will this dealing procedures affect the house edge ?

No.

Is this similar to cut card effect?

No. You can't have a cut-card effect for a single round. More cards will be used your way for a round than would normally be the case (for American BJ), but since you're not continuing the deal from the depleted shoe, what difference does it make? Your game is actually ENHC, except that, if all the players break, the dealer completes his hand anyway, which, of course, is never done in any form of BJ. Doing that doesn't affect the house edge; it just eats cards, which, again, can't matter for a single round.

Don

[James989]

No.



No. You can't have a cut-card effect for a single round. More cards will be used your way for a round than would normally be the case (for American BJ), but since you're not continuing the deal from the depleted shoe, what difference does it make? Your game is actually ENHC, except that, if all the players break, the dealer completes his hand anyway, which, of course, is never done in any form of BJ. Doing that doesn't affect the house edge; it just eats cards, which, again, can't matter for a single round.

Don

Please remind that dealer draw/hit cards(completed her hand) before dealt first two cards to the player ! Will dealer hit/draw cards affect player's first two composition probability ?

[DSchles]

Please remind that dealer draw/hit cards(completed her hand) before dealt first two cards to the player ! Will dealer hit/draw cards affect player's first two composition probability ?

No!

Don

[James989]

No!

Don

Thanks for your reply.

[peterlee]

Is the Basic Strategy fixed by the rules?
Otherwise there is another BS according to the number of cards dealer used.

[James989]

Is the Basic Strategy fixed by the rules?
Otherwise there is another BS according to the number of cards dealer used.

All dealers draw/hit cards are unreveal except single upcard.

[Iwantmoney]

But can player see the number of cards drawn by the dealer?

[Cacarulo]

But can player see the number of cards drawn by the dealer?

And how could that influence it?

Sincerely,
Cac

[k_c]

And how could that influence it?

Sincerely,
Cac

If number of dealer cards remain unknown there would be no influence. However, if number of cards is known that could limit possible dealer hands.
For example if dealer hand consists of 2 cards and up card is T, possible hands are T-T, T-9, T-8, T-7 and maybe A-T depending upon policy.

Concealed busts where number of cards is known would also allow for additional dealer hand possibilities.

k_c

[peterlee]

Let me guess:
OP wants to change the order of players/dealer hitting in his program.
That brings up the "more tens used to finish a hand" problem.

Normal procedure: player hits the first card after 2*(number of spot+dealer) cards used. Now dealer hits first, the questions are:

Will the dealer use more tens to finish his hand?

If the dealer use more tens, will this affect the EV for the players hitting?

[peterlee]

Edward Thorp said, it is the same EV for the first and second round...
But now the rule/procedure has changed in the first round.

[Cacarulo]

If number of dealer cards remain unknown there would be no influence. However, if number of cards is known that could limit possible dealer hands.
For example if dealer hand consists of 2 cards and up card is T, possible hands are T-T, T-9, T-8, T-7 and maybe A-T depending upon policy.

Concealed busts where number of cards is known would also allow for additional dealer hand possibilities.

k_c

Thinking about it, you're absolutely right. I hadn't considered it that way. By the way, the basic strategy would be enormous. For each dealer upcard, you would have to design
a strategy for each total number of cards: 2, 3, etc. Obviously, the simplest would be against a total of 2 cards where the dealer would never bust.

Now, if you think about it carefully, this could lend itself to some type of collusion between the dealer and the player. For example, the dealer could signal the player if she busted or not.
I don't think a casino would want to take this risk. By the way, does this casino really exist?

Sincerely,
Cac