7's Sidebet

[Dog Hand]

Christopher Robins,

Welcome to the board!

The best counting system for these 7's sidebets is easy. Start the shoe with a RC of 0. For all non-7's add +1 to the RC. For all 7's subtract 12 from the RC. To find the TC, divide this RC by the remaining decks.

Example: in the first 52 cards dealt, you see 2 7's and 50 non-7's. The new RC is 0 - 2*12 + 50 = +26, and with 5 decks remaining in the shoe, the TC is +26/5 = +5.2.

Several side bets of this type have been analyzed by the Wizard of Odds: see

https://wizardofodds.com/games/black.../super-sevens/

In particular, the Wiz shows the probability of receiving 1, 2, or 3 sevens. However, his calculations do not include the "3 same colored 7's" category, though they do have a "2 suited 7's" category.

The rest of your questions cannot be answered without more information. First of all, a complete paytable is needed. Second, what is this "Wheel Spin Bonus Feature"? How is it triggered? What is it worth?

I know this reply is incomplete. If you can find the missing information, I'm sure a complete analysis can be done.

Hope this helps!

Dog Hand

[Christopher Robins]

Thanks for the warm welcome Dog Hand. I'll DM you more specifics. I don't know if posting so much personally identifiable information on the forum would be wise. I want to make this play (if it's a play even) as discreet as possible.

[Edge21]

Christopher Robins,

Welcome to the board!

The best counting system for these 7's sidebets is easy. Start the shoe with a RC of 0. For all non-7's add +1 to the RC. For all 7's subtract 12 from the RC. To find the TC, divide this RC by the remaining decks.

Example: in the first 52 cards dealt, you see 2 7's and 50 non-7's. The new RC is 0 - 2*12 + 50 = +26, and with 5 decks remaining in the shoe, the TC is +26/5 = +5.2.

Several side bets of this type have been analyzed by the Wizard of Odds: see

https://wizardofodds.com/games/black.../super-sevens/

In particular, the Wiz shows the probability of receiving 1, 2, or 3 sevens. However, his calculations do not include the "3 same colored 7's" category, though they do have a "2 suited 7's" category.

The rest of your questions cannot be answered without more information. First of all, a complete paytable is needed. Second, what is this "Wheel Spin Bonus Feature"? How is it triggered? What is it worth?

I know this reply is incomplete. If you can find the missing information, I'm sure a complete analysis can be done.

Hope this helps!

Dog Hand

Hi Dog Hand,
Sorry to go off-topic, but wanted to ask for some guidance from you on the dealer-bust side bet and specifically if you can produce a chart similar to what you provided back in 2013 (link below), but this time for KO rather than HiLo (Just for 6D, ie IRC= -20, with H17). Kind regards, sir.

https://www.blackjacktheforum.com/at...4&d=1381717291

[Christopher Robins]

So I'll say this much, based on what information we do have available right now, it appears that this progressive wager / side bet is beatable (at least according to Nick Colon) once "the shoe reaches a normalized value of 1.5." Attacking Blazing 7s Blackjack - Blackjack Strategy | 888 Casino Online

I did some scratch mathematics and it appears that the sevens count proposed by Dog Hand works, but the trigger true count will tend to fluctuate based on the number of decks remaining? The versions of this game I have encountered have significantly watered down pay outs. The closest version Colon mentions to the one I encountered would have to be Version 1 Table 1 in his article. The prizes available to the player on the wheel spin bonus feature are different everywhere I go. If this game is beatable under the right conditions, the variance must be extraordinarily high. The casino I played at had two different prize wheels for their Mississippi Stud game and the Ultimate Texas Hold'em. One table offered flat rate prizes on the wheel including percentages of the jackpot and 10% of the jackpot, whereas on the other game it offered SOLELY percentages of the jackpot / 10 %. This is so god damn confusing and you just know they did it on purpose to make it as hard as possible for the player to calculate their edge. lol

If anyone has something to add or something they feel is worth pointing out, please do so.

[Archvaldor]

If anyone has something to add or something they feel is worth pointing out, please do so.

With this type of longshot wager any kind of non-randomness in the shuffle can have significant impact on expected value.

Observe that the upper boundary on expectation with known cards is very high. Much more so than regular blackjack. You don't necessarily have to approach that level of accuracy to take advantage.