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    Interesting that, at the bottom of page 490, I acknowledge your help in verifying all the values. But, also interesting that, I don't see anywhere that I say it's TD or CD, and that could be the difference. In any event, close enough. Oh, there's also bjstrat.net. -0.202. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.

    Don

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    Regardless, -.16or -.2 - easy to beat.
    Completely agreed.

    Sincerely,
    Cac
    Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSchles View Post
    Interesting that, at the bottom of page 490, I acknowledge your help in verifying all the values. But, also interesting that, I don't see anywhere that I say it's TD or CD, and that could be the difference. In any event, close enough. Oh, there's also bjstrat.net. -0.202. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.

    Don
    PP: -0.199
    CD: -0.201
    TD: -0.203


    Sincerely,
    Cac
    Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity.

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    You can rely on bjstrat.net that gives -0.2020
    G Man

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    Quote Originally Posted by G Man View Post
    You can rely on bjstrat.net that gives -0.2020
    On the website http://bjstrat.net/cgi-bin/cdca.cgi, the number I obtain is: -0.1999. Try it.

    Sincerely,
    Cac
    Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cacarulo View Post
    On the website http://bjstrat.net/cgi-bin/cdca.cgi, the number I obtain is: -0.1999. Try it.

    Sincerely,
    Cac
    You allowed surrender vs. 2-9. I didn't because he didn't say that was allowed. So, we'd need to clarify.

    Don

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSchles View Post
    You allowed surrender vs. 2-9. I didn't because he didn't say that was allowed. So, we'd need to clarify.

    Don
    That's right, as far as I understood, the rule is ES against any card except for an Ace. On the other hand, the results obtained from bjstrat.net are optimal values, neither TD nor CD.

    Sincerely,
    Cac
    Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cacarulo View Post
    That's right, as far as I understood, the rule is ES against any card except for an Ace. On the other hand, the results obtained from bjstrat.net are optimal values, neither TD nor CD.

    Sincerely,
    Cac
    This is my website.

    If conditions chosen are the same as in this thread and under surrender-

    if the box 'Allowed versus dealer up cards of 2-9' is checked: Overall EV calculation is -.1999%
    if the box 'Allowed versus dealer up cards of 2-9' is unchecked: Overall EV calculation is -.2020%

    Values are composition dependent.

    My total dependent values for same rules/conditions-

    If surrender allowed versus up cards 2-9: Overall EV = -.2031
    If surrender not allowed versus up cards 2-9: Overall EV = -.2053

    k_c

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    Quote Originally Posted by k_c View Post
    This is my website.

    If conditions chosen are the same as in this thread and under surrender-

    if the box 'Allowed versus dealer up cards of 2-9' is checked: Overall EV calculation is -.1999%
    if the box 'Allowed versus dealer up cards of 2-9' is unchecked: Overall EV calculation is -.2020%

    Values are composition dependent.

    My total dependent values for same rules/conditions-

    If surrender allowed versus up cards 2-9: Overall EV = -.2031
    If surrender not allowed versus up cards 2-9: Overall EV = -.2053

    k_c
    So we are on the same boat.

    Sincerely,
    Cac
    Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSchles View Post
    You allowed surrender vs. 2-9. I didn't because he didn't say that was allowed. So, we'd need to clarify.

    Don
    Indeed Mr. S, it is allowed to surrender any except vs an Ace.

    You all have been so kind with your valuable info. it is clear that we are all surrounded by the absolute greatest here. I promise I am working hard on reading and following BA3 and thank you all for introducing me into BJstrat. It does help while I still learn plenty from you all.

    Kind regards.

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    I could point you out to other good games around but stakes are low (except for one). Would be awesome to meet as well, I do not get to know many card counters around, if you are interested and squeeze the time.

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