Noel: Card Eating Question for Don and others

[Noel]

A counter is playing all hands heads up with the dealer in a marginal game with poor penetration (4/6DK DAS RS2 LS) using a 1:8 proportional (Kelly) bet spread. Questions:
What is the effect on the win rate when 1 other player enters the game and plays half or all of the advantageous hands (positive true counts >= 1)? Can this be estimated using the frequency distributions in BJA?
Can this effect be offset by playing 2 hands at higher stakes (e.g., 30 - 50% to keep risk constant) when another player enters the game?

This is probably a very difficult question; so, general estimates or guidance would be appreciated.

[Norm Wattenberger]

I'm simming something else at the moment and can't sim this. But some off the top of my head answers:

> What is the effect on the win rate when 1 other player
> enters the game and plays half or all of the
> advantageous hands (positive true counts >= 1)?

Huge in a poor penetration game

> Can
> this be estimated using the frequency distributions in
> BJA?

No

> Can this effect be offset by playing 2 hands at higher
> stakes (e.g., 30 - 50% to keep risk constant) when
> another player enters the game?

Yes but only slightly. There would still be a heavy penalty.