An Appeal to Maturity

[DSchles]

In the end, the problem with the great majority of recent posts to this forum is a lack of maturity. Multiple posters have simply descended into childlike posts of name-calling and insulting dialog that simply don't belong in this venue.

I find it stunning that, given enough time, almost any thread that begins as a worthwhile topic eventually deteriorates into embarrassing drivel. And the reason is a total lack of self-control on the part of multiple posters who, after a while, grow tired of blackjack and feel a need to create a distraction or diversion and simply deflect the conversation towards infantile banter.

Wouldn't it be nice to restore this to a high-class BLACKJACK FORUM? Wouldn't it be nice for all the snide comments, insulting remarks, and childish bickering to simply stop and disappear? Of course, there is one way for that to happen, and while it isn't the preferred way, I have suggested to Norm that it is, nonetheless, a way. And that is to simply delete, upon sight, all such offensive posts. Just take them down seconds after they appear or are read by Norm. Perhaps the offenders would get the idea that every time their posts shed no light on anything but are simply antagonistic and combative, they will disappear.

Of course, self-restraint would be infinitely preferable, but the second choice, above, is far better than no choice at all.

Let's see who among you have the ability to post about blackjack and not about who is the bigger asshole than the other one.

Don

[Freightman]

Don
Admirable thoughts. And though I’m not one to back off from bullies, I can easily do as you suggest. The problem with that, however, are the “bigger assholes” you refer to. They’ll simply keep coming and coming. So, an endless iteration of bullshit ensues.

Now, I don’t believe for a moment that Norm is stupid. However, until he takes the Innkeepers route (which the casino critter hordes gravitate to), and arbitrarily acts upon the cretins of condescension, the problems you allude to will continue.

I may be wrong, but I doubt it.

[DSchles]

Don
Admirable thoughts. And though I’m not one to back off from bullies, I can easily do as you suggest. The problem with that, however, are the “bigger assholes” you refer to. They’ll simply keep coming and coming. So, an endless iteration of bullshit ensues.

Now, I don’t believe for a moment that Norm is stupid. However, until he takes the Innkeepers route (which the casino critter hordes gravitate to), and arbitrarily acts upon the cretins of condescension, the problems you allude to will continue.

I may be wrong, but I doubt it.

So, the ball, ultimately, is in Norm's court. But I don't think he can do the job alone. And I'm not sure he even wants the job in the first place. You need me to be the "sheriff." (What were the readers called who had the power to delete posts on other sites but who weren't the webmaster? I forget the term.)

Don

[Freightman]

So, the ball, ultimately, is in Norm's court. But I don't think he can do the job alone. And I'm not sure he even wants the job in the first place. You need me to be the "sheriff." (What were the readers called who had the power to delete posts on other sites but who weren't the webmaster? I forget the term.)

Don

Moderator? In any event, agree or disagree, there is always wisdom in your words.

Hmmm Don Schlesinger - Sheriff of Rock Ridge?

https://youtu.be/iBjMaUlXnjs

[Wave]

So, the ball, ultimately, is in Norm's court. But I don't think he can do the job alone. And I'm not sure he even wants the job in the first place. You need me to be the "sheriff." (What were the readers called who had the power to delete posts on other sites but who weren't the webmaster? I forget the term.)

Don

Don, you know what my signature line is, if it comes to that you have my support.

[21forme]

So, the ball, ultimately, is in Norm's court. But I don't think he can do the job alone. And I'm not sure he even wants the job in the first place. You need me to be the "sheriff." (What were the readers called who had the power to delete posts on other sites but who weren't the webmaster? I forget the term.)

In the heyday of BJ21, if a poster got out of control, peer pressure seemed to work 99% of the time. Backoffs were rare. Here, it doesn't work. Perhaps a "consultation" with Al Rogers on how it managed to work there?

In any case, Norm has said many times that he doesn't have the time for this. Perhaps that's why his "selective" moderation isn't working. I concur that somebody willing to do the job and has the time to do it is necessary.

[Norm]

In the heyday of BJ21, if a poster got out of control, peer pressure seemed to work 99% of the time. Backoffs were rare. Here, it doesn't work. Perhaps a "consultation" with Al Rogers on how it managed to work there?

Not only did it not work there, AP.COM was formed because BJ21 had become so nasty and there were no backoffs. The "peer pressure" you refer to is exactly the problem. There is nothing wrong with telling a poster that their thinking is wrong and why it is wrong. That is useful to the poster and lurkers and is not peer pressure. What must stop is calling the poster names which is not useful and simply generates more name-calling.

[BoSox]

What must stop is calling the poster names which is not useful and simply generates more name-calling.

The "What must stop" above line is meaningless without consistent enforcement and oversight. If the board did, in fact, have consistent enforcement and oversight the problem would go away by itself. Right now we have a huge archive of threads that says otherwise. A successful result can only happen when everyone is treated the same.

[Midwest Player]

Not only did it not work there, AP.COM was formed because BJ21 had become so nasty and there were no backoffs. The "peer pressure" you refer to is exactly the problem. There is nothing wrong with telling a poster that their thinking is wrong and why it is wrong. That is useful to the poster and lurkers and is not peer pressure. What must stop is calling the poster names which is not useful and simply generates more name-calling.

If I remember correctly, Don's Domain's was a paid site. I never paid a membership to join it, but I had access to it because for awhile I was asked to host the Heartland page which I did for a period of time. It was true that Don ran a tight ship. One step out of line, and you or your post were gone. I do believe this was the down fall of Don's Domain. Nothing else was tolerated and eventually membership decreased. There has to be a balance between jokes, a jab here and there, and bj stuff.

AP.com really started out on the right track. They had a lot going for it. They started TrackJack which had great potential. It had the potential to be better than CBJN and at that time I was playing in quite a few midwest casinos. I updated many of the entries each time I made a BJ trip. Now when the greedy bastards there gave Titanium a screwing and refused to pay him what he was was due, he posted about it and that was the beginning of the end for that site. I had several private emails with Titanium and I was so upset by the dishonestly I quit hosting the Heartland page.

I do believe, a BJ forum has to have an occasional something besides blackjack. I do think it would be a good idea if Norm offered a social page like BJ21 has. I think members like to know something about the other members.

[Norm]

I do think it would be a good idea if Norm offered a social page like BJ21 has.

The Stuff page. But, it's in the subscribers section. It does have 4,249 posts.

[DSchles]

If I remember correctly, Don's Domain's was a paid site.

It had both paid pages and a free page. I posted liberally to both. Ultimately, Viktor wasn't happy with that, because if you had access to me for free, why bother to pay a subscription fee? I guess that was my fault.

Don

[Counting_Is_Fun]

It had both paid pages and a free page. I posted liberally to both. Ultimately, Viktor wasn't happy with that, because if you had access to me for free, why bother to pay a subscription fee? I guess that was my fault.

Don

To me, the answer is pretty simple...paid subscription. Many offending posters here have never paid for any forum!!
With Don's deleting of nonsense, or attacking posts then I think it would grow very fast. With people who belong, while weeding out the chaff. Where can I pay to sign up?
I have tried quite a few times to direct everyone to Norm's paid area of the forum, but nobody agreed. Thus we find ourselves here.

[Gramazeka]

So, the ball, ultimately, is in Norm's court. But I don't think he can do the job alone. And I'm not sure he even wants the job in the first place. You need me to be the "sheriff." (What were the readers called who had the power to delete posts on other sites but who weren't the webmaster? I forget the term.)

Don

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